Short answer: Jordan Metzner says he installed OpenClaw when it was still Clawdbot; it is fun but its value is still low, mostly cron-job style tasks. He says the interesting shift is people becoming managers of teams of agents.
Watch this answer from Episode 32 (starts at 19:14) · Episode 32 notes and transcript
From Episode 32: From DNA to Drugs: How AI Is Rewriting Human Biology, starting at 19:14.
Jordan Metzner [19:14]: Awesome. Alright, Dov. That was a great history and great story about your company. I think we can kinda jump into the news this week. But anything else that we didn't cover, me?
Sam Nadler [19:22]: No. Let's jump into the news. Hard pivot. Thank you, Dov. That was super inspiring. I'm super excited to continue to follow your story. Hard pivot here to OpenClaw, just a, fun AI product that's taken the AI world, I guess, the last several weeks by storm. I've seen a couple I haven't set up my own OpenClaw. I know Jordan has, and I've toyed around with his a little bit. But I've seen a couple podcasts with Peter. I know in the last couple days, he decided to join OpenAI. But, Jordan, I know you've you've built your own OpenClaw. What's your thoughts, and what's your thoughts on him joining OpenAI?
Jordan Metzner [20:01]: Yeah. So I guess I'm pretty early adopter. I'm deep on OpenClaw. I installed it when it was still two names previous as Clawdbot. It's fun and interesting, but the value is still pretty low. And maybe it's my lack of creativity or ingenuity, but I've spent a lot of time watching YouTube videos, following Twitter, following other users, and most of the things I've seen has have been tasks that I would normally use, like, an LLM for or I would normally do as one off tasks that could kind of more be automated. So I found it to be interesting in the sense that it's very much like cron job type or task based focus. I haven't been able to, like, get the best out of it yet, but I think what makes it so interesting is that when you talk to OpenClaw or Clawdbot, it doesn't need a lot of rules to understand what you're talking about. It doesn't need a lot of framework. So you can say something like, hey.
Jordan Metzner [20:55]: I wanna post on Reddit about, this article or something like that. Where are the best subjects? Go where are the best, subreddits? Go research it, and it'll just go figure that out. And you probably could do the same thing with a ChatGPT or whatnot. And so you start to see that, like, maybe they're very much replaceable, but I think what starts to get interesting, and I think, we're all seeing this now, is just the launch of kind of, these types of teams or agents that are managing teams and kind of becoming an agent manager. And so I think it'll be interesting, how OpenAI integrates kind of OpenClaw or these kind of agentic types of teams. Obviously, we know they have their new from tier tool. I've been using Claude teams, which is like a multi agent kind of where they run together and they come back and talk to each other, but it seems like, the paradox seems like they can kind of go infinitely scaled up. Like, if one person can manage, two agents, can they manage 10 agents?
Jordan Metzner [21:46]: Can they manage a thousand agents? Can they manage a million agents? And, how deep can that possibly go? And then, you bring it back to Dov Software, and you think, wow. I mean, oh my gosh. How many, agent scientists can be go doing, drug discoveries? And, I think back to your you know, how many how much research is not done, Dov, because, it's believed that it might fail or it's too risky, or it's too dangerous, or, kind of what other things are people not doing that, that by lowering the cost of testing and inevitability that that people will start to do?
Dov Gertz [22:19]: Yeah. I know. It's an exciting time. I think the agentic workflows are definitely gonna open up, at this level, areas of value in our space, in general. I have to ask a question.
