Short answer: Jordan Metzner describes an ex-Amazon executive who rebuilt his company's CRM in 72 hours. Sagi Waitzman says vibe coding works for internal tools but isn't production ready, and ideas and execution still matter.
Watch this answer from Episode 28 (starts at 17:29) · Episode 28 notes and transcript
From Episode 28: Why You Can't Pen Test an Airplane — AI Cybersecurity for Aviation, starting at 17:29.
Jordan Metzner [17:29]: Alright. Let's let's move on. I think we got one more story to wrap up this episode. Ex Amazon executive basically kinda replaced their company. He left Amazon, and he replaced the company's CRM in a weekend by vibe coding it. And I think, I the whole story is just about the fact that, like, his current CRM was hard to edit and hard to make changes to, and so he just built a new one from scratch, he says, like, in seventy two hours. So, yeah, like, think Sam said, it resonates with us since we do this all the time with a bunch of internal tools. But are you guys building internal tools? Are you replacing kind of third party software tools and CRM tools with your own in house tools? And are you kinda feel the same way as him?
Sagi Waitzman [18:06]: So I feel the same way as him, like building internal tools, but only internal because at the end, vibe coding is not yet production. Like, you need to know how to build production product, but for internal tools, we surely use. I think it can save a lot of money. It's nice to have, and I agree with what they wrote in the last paragraph, I think in this article, that it's still the entry barrier for developer is long time ago, it's not a development language, whereas easy to develop. It depends on these good ideas. It's a good and the good ideas and the execution of the good idea. So you don't see now thousands of power caps out there. So still, it's nice to have, but it's not replacement for a good idea and good execution.
Jordan Metzner [19:04]: Yeah. Totally true. And I think, I mean, it'll just have a you know, as you said, these LLMs are not good enough for high quality production code yet. But, over the next months, weeks, years, I mean, it's just gonna get better and better. And to your point, kind of everyone becomes a manager and orchestrator. Right? Sagi, I wanted to say thanks so much for joining us today. Thanks for talking about your company. It was really interesting to learn how kind of AI and cyber has a huge impact on our day to day lives and just taking on flying in on an airplane and whatnot. I think we got a good call out. It was awesome to see your tool, Sam, and your red alerts. And, yeah, interesting to talk about OpenAI and Anthropic and just kind of vibe coding in general across, like, all executives. So thanks again, Sagi, for this awesome time, and thanks, Sam. Thanks for joining us.
Sagi Waitzman [19:53]: Thank you, guys.
Sam Nadler [19:54]: Thanks, Sagi. Don't forget to like and subscribe. It was a pleasure to meet you. Bye, everyone.
