Short answer: Sam Nadler says Fable 5 was reauthorized but not for coding. Zach Rattner says the AI industry is reaching adolescence and compares it to safety testing for cars and drugs.
Watch this answer from Episode 49 (starts at 9:57) · Episode 49 notes and transcript
From Episode 49: A Ten Minute Phone Video Replaces Hours of Home Inspections. We Demo the AI Doing It., starting at 9:57.
Sam Nadler [9:57]: So as you guys recall, Fable five was pulled from the markets. I think as of last night or early this morning, it has been authorized for use, but as I understand, not for coding. I know, Jordan, you're a you in the thirty six hours, you were able to use Fable five. You loved it. Zach, I don't know if you've had much exposure, but now that it's back, any high level thoughts? And, are we going to continue to see the government get involved as new models or, powerful models come out?
Jordan Metzner [10:32]: I'll go first on this one. Yeah. I mean, I used Fable five when it came out, and it was amazing. And then they took it away, sadly. And I would say that the current models are not nearly as good at 4.8 even with the, like, ultra code as well as 5.5. And obviously, we've seen 5.6 be announced from OpenAI to a limited audience. I think they said, like, 20 companies and, obviously, he's also working with the government. So I think, we're probably at the point in which these powerful models will probably continue to go through this type of self assessed process. I think it looks like even without regulations in place, these frontier labs don't want their models taken down by the government. And in order to avoid that, then they need to be, overly friendly with the government. So I think it seems like they're creating their own framework at the same time that, the framework doesn't really exist. But as a developer and programmer, I wish I got Fable five back. But I think the news is the little misnomer because what it said was Fable five is coming back, but not for coding purposes. So at least that's what I read, that it is gonna roll back to 4.8 in that case. And like, he was mentioned a 5.6 as well.
Jordan Metzner [11:42]: So, yeah. From my perspective, want Fable five back. But if I can only use it for queries, then, it's only so good. But if I can use it for coding, then I'll be pretty happy because it did do an amazing job. I don't know, Zach. How about you?
Zach Rattner [11:55]: Yeah. I mean, in my view, I think the AI industry is sort of reaching adolescence. If you look at other markets like the automotive industry, it would sort of be unheard of to launch a new car, but then not have safety testing done or to launch a new drug in the pharmaceutical world, but then not exactly know the implications. And, I mean, I do sympathize where if you are in a brutally competitive market, everything's moving at light speed. US companies compete against each other, but I think also we're competing against China. It's a lot of pressure to make a lot of progress as fast as possible. So I'm not particularly surprised that as these models get better and better, they become more and more capable. And at some point, some regulators says, hold on a minute. Like, have we thought about what's really going on here? So I'm not particularly surprised by this. And, honestly, I'm, encouraged by OpenAI's decision to not do, like, a launch yank launch again. Like, at some point, it had to happen, but I wouldn't mind seeing some clarity around guidance on these sorts of things. I think it's important. They're powerful. They're becoming a part of everyday life where it is disruptive if you yank it.
Zach Rattner [13:00]: Where two, three years ago, if you yanked it, a lot of people lost an interesting tool, or a toy. But now if you yank it, people are losing their ability to get real work done. I'm glad that we didn't have dependencies built up yet on Fable, because I think if these sorts of things can happen, then you'd have a lot to rework and fall back on. But I do think that it's sort of that next stage as we enter into AI adulthood, if you will, that we sort of think about these things more of like a public utility unless there was, like, a novel interesting toy. So it's unfortunate to slow things down, but also I wouldn't wanna live in a world where no cars were safely tested before they hit the roads.
